Friday, April 16, 2010

A Smart Quote from Pres. Clinton on the Tea Bag Crowd

Bill Clinton gave a speech today to commemorate the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City Bombing. In addition, he commented on the current tea party phenomenon, but correctly pointed out the differences between this crowd and those who participated in the original Boston tea party:
“It was about no taxation without representation. It was not about representation by people you didn’t vote for and didn’t agree with, but can vote out in the next election.”


T. Paine said...

Dave, the true difference isn't that we don't technically have representation any more. The fact is that our representation is routinely ignoring both the will of the people and the Constitution.

Frankly, I'd rather be subjected to no representation instead of contrary representation.

The American people were overwhelmingly against the stimulus spending, Obamacare, and the future vote on cap & tax legislation.

Our "representatives" don't care what we think and our choosing to vote for what they want instead.

That is a huge and egregious difference, sir.

Dave Splash said...

The American people were overwhelmingly against the stimulus spending, Obamacare, and the future vote on cap & tax legislation.

Funny how an election does not constitute support for anything in the mind of a right winger. President Obama won the election by the biggest margin since 1984. That's more than Bush whose policies were hated by the American people, yet supported by a vocal minority.

I find it truly disturbing that the right wing in this country has no respect for the electoral process, and views election results as of secondary importance to their own opinions.

A majority of Americans voted for Obama and the Democrats, and voted for the policies that you oppose. John McCain and Sarah Palin represented your views, and they lost. That is democracy, and not a cause for alarm. It's how America worked prior to January 2009.

If something changes in November, so be it. But to conflate the views of the extreme right with what the mainstream of America thinks is just ridiculous and delusional.

T. Paine said...

Dave, that is not the case at all sir.

Obama put himself forward as a slightly left of center post-partisan, post-racial president that would work with everyone to comprimise and find the best solutions to health care etc all while being completely transparent on C-Span.

We both know that this is NOT what happened. Instead of fixing the problems like he campaigned on, he has offered HUGE new governmental solutions that actually exacerbate problems. These are not the solutions that most Americans voted for when they elected him.

That is why polling on all of these "solutions" show that a significant majority of Americans oppose how Obama has "fixed" things and is a big part of the reason why he now has higher negatives than positives in his approval ratings.

Republicans are not trying to nulify the country's vote for Obama as you claim, rather the ones that voted for him are dissappointed that Obama is not what he portrayed himself as a leader when they did vote for him.

The only one happy about Obama's predicament is Carter since ol' Jimmy won't be the worst president in the last 50 years anymore when the history books are finally written.

Unfortunately, the rest of us have to worry if the country will survive the next 3 years of the Obama administration.

Dave Splash said...

There isn't enough kool aid in the world to get me to agree on anything you just said.

T. Paine said...

Is that because you have already drank too heavily of all that Kool Aid in the world, Dave? :)

Dave Splash said...

Because right wing kool aid is like poison to me and it gets expelled whenever it is forced upon me.

T. Paine said...

You know, occasionally the left gets it right, albeit not very often, and yet I am happy to admit it when this is so.

It seems to me that perhaps you are adamant about rejecting anything coming from the right politically simply because you don't like the source of the idea, sir.

Dave Splash said...

Not true. I had respect for conservatives and some Republicans prior to 1998. Ever since then, the party and the right overall has just detached itself from reality and created this new conserva-reality.

I simply cannot take a movement seriously that impeached a president over a sexual affair, stole an election, appoints the most radical, activist judges to the federal bench the Supreme Court, starts wars based on lies while allowing those who attacked us to remain free, denies the separation of church and state, inherits a budget surplus and leaves a massive deficit (then blames the inheritor of said deficit for its existence), filibusters every bill in the Senate (even ones that it had supported), and sits back and supports fringe whackjobs who run around with racist signs and assault weapons screaming about tyranny and revolution and threatening those who disagree with violence or death.

I could go on and on, but you'll just deny the right has engaged in any of this. Just like Fox does! It's all the "left".

In today's America, there is the Democratic Party - a moderate, left of center, mainstream party. There is no other party for it to work with, as the GOP has gone so far out of the mainstream and off the deep end. It is allowing the rhetoric and attitudes of Timothy McVeigh and the militias to dominate its agenda, making it unrecognizable to reasonable people of all stripes.

If Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan were alive today, they'd be drummed out of the Republican party for being too liberal and actually agreeing to work with the other side.

When you guys come up with an idea that isn't steeped in unrestrained hatred for President Obama or based on fundamentalist religion, I'll reconsider. Until then...